Obama wins tight Democratic race

[Nighthawk]

Looks like the race for the democratic nomination has been won :

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/...two/index.html

[ImaBovine]

Should be an interesting election that's for sure.

I guess we will find out if America is going to make history and have our first black president.

[Nighthawk]

Originally Posted by ImaBovine

I guess we will find out if America is going to make history and have our first black president.

Followed immediately by historical tax increases.

[Xanavi]

They might as well just call the Democratic party the Socialist party.

Obama supports: Gun Control, Strike 1! Abortion, Strike 2! Socialized everything, Strike 3!

GTFO.

[Judas Deceit]

holy republican conservative christian batman.

Gun control ... what are the pros of having more guns?
personally I own 3 but I see more pros with less guns...

abortion.. whats wrong with it? nothing.. less people means less stupidity
I personally try to abort a third trimester baby every 12 months with a clothes hanger and some asprin. truth be told however i believe in stem cell research so abortion is perfectly fine for me.

You know after watching sicko and seeing that the number one health care ( for quality and cost; and this is true outside moore's own warped view ) provider in the world is free and socialized I embrace the change.

I lay my collection of shriveled pickled pigmy fetuses on that this president wont suck.

[Ally]

Originally Posted by Xanavi

Abortion, Strike 2!

Yeah...the next time you actually have to be the one to carry a parasite around in your body for 9 months and then birth it out of your hoo ha, you can have an opinion on abortion.

The thing that worries me the most about Obama is his plan for socialized medicine.

[Xanavi]

Yes I am a Christian, and in my opinion a baby is a baby, no matter the age or development stage. Gun control is something I can never support. There is a fine line between common sense (some limits, age, psychological) and total gun bans, it is a slippery slope, and too important to mess with.

The beauty of America is that you can express your beliefs! You have to support what you believe in. I am not the type to berate people for thinking differently, I just want people to think about the issues and weigh the pros and cons for themselves instead of falling for hype and sensationalism which happens a lot in America these days.

Ron Paul for Prez, ASAP!

[Judas Deceit]

you see i agree with you ( personally i thought gun control and gun ban were two seperate things altogether ).
I for one am not christian and I am tired of the christian machine messing with science.
A baby isnt a baby no matter what stage it is in that is simply absurd. Perhaps if you attach a foolish sentimentality such as the soul an argument can be made ( although a 100% wrong one), but when it is all said and done cell division is cell division and until those cells form a brain of conscience awareness then it is in fact nothing more than chemical soup mixed with memory foam.

I agree whole heartedly with your last paragraph altogether. However I dont understand how you can believe that and be a christian at the same time. Well I can but you are in a very small minority with that wonderful view.

EVERYONE DISCUSS WHAT WORRIES YOU ABOUT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE..... i really want to know why people have such strong reservations about this.

[Xanavi]

Here is a simple example. Who spends your money the best? You or someone else?

As with insurance plans, socialized health care will not bring down costs one bit. It just attempts to put the burden on everyone. I do not want to be forced to pay for someone else's care.

The most disturbing part is that there are statuses of care in these plans, if you are old or somehow "defective" you are the last on the list, there will not be enough money to go around. This will bankrupt this nation, which is close enough already.

I would rather keep government small and out of my life as much as possible. I am responsible for me, my health care, my finances. All the various taxes like property, sales and such pay for the government services you need. Nothing wrong with that.

The IRS income tax pays interest on loans from banks who are on your back like a monkey. They get to profit from making loans to pay for all this over budget shit, when the Treasury could have been doing this for free the whole time. Imagine no income tax, no IRS, no public debt. The platform of Ron Paul sounds a bit more appealing now eh?

Government will, if left to grow, take everything you have and then turn around and tell you what you can keep. Sounds a bit like slavery to me.

[Judas Deceit]

Originally Posted by Xanavi

Here is a simple example. Who spends your money the best? You or someone else?

As with insurance plans, socialized health care will not bring down costs one bit. It just attempts to put the burden on everyone. I do not want to be forced to pay for someone else's care.

So a small tax increase to pay for everyone to have the ability to obtain health care is a large burden? Man I would hope to imagine that you have Veterans or a very good cheap health care provider. Lets look at it like this the average HMO for this example Humana charges more or less for a family of three roughly 500$ or more per month for one of their more premium health care packages or I could just pay an additional 10 dollars per month to taxes for the same thing in a socialized state.. right.... sounds horrible.... imagine for a small tax increase i could get a script of valium for 10 dollars a month and under that same 10 dollars i could get a refill and under that same 10 dollars I could have a major surgery... man your right I rather pay a total of $9000 for the surgery... umm no.

Originally Posted by Xanavi

The most disturbing part is that there are statuses of care in these plans, if you are old or somehow "defective" you are the last on the list, there will not be enough money to go around. This will bankrupt this nation, which is close enough already.

I wish you would site your source for this.. we are already bankrupt what exactly is economic recession * jargon for bankrupt *? If you are old or defective you are last on the list in America especially if you are poor already so no change there which is a complete fabricated opinion to begin with ( most old people that i know currently bitch and moan over health care and prescription costs). Here is my logic at work if we all pay the same for equal coverage then we all get equal treatment? seems to be logical in theory at least.. honestly tell me why the countries with socialized medicine have the BEST health care in the world? What exactly do you think America sees in financial benefit from the record profit of blue cross/blue shield for any given quarter? you sir are under some rose colored glasses.

Originally Posted by Xanavi

I would rather keep government small and out of my life as much as possible. I am responsible for me, my health care, my finances. All the various taxes like property, sales and such pay for the government services you need. Nothing wrong with that.

Government out of your life? Are you joking? Good luck with that.. the government is way more in our lives now than ever; the patriot act alone sees to this. What do you think is going to be the difference between what health care you receive now as opposed under a socialized state? My guess would be nothing but feel free to speculate. Man I tell you what i hate is socialized police protection and socialized schools.. lets just go ahead and let big buisness run those as well. I cant wait to enroll my child in Starbuck High School where they will be traffic protection from Wal-Mart security forces... fuck hmo's and the people who think they are wonderful.

Originally Posted by Xanavi

The IRS income tax pays interest on loans from banks who are on your back like a monkey. They get to profit from making loans to pay for all this over budget shit, when the Treasury could have been doing this for free the whole time. Imagine no income tax, no IRS, no public debt. The platform of Ron Paul sounds a bit more appealing now eh?

I dont even know where to begin with this... banks should be on our backs; for one, if you arent spending money that you dont have I have never had a problem with a bank. What the hell are you even suggesting with no income tax? So no income taxes.. so who pays for our socialized schools, libraries, ambulances, police, etc... who pays for our troops to defend our country? who pays for our troops to have adequate protection and gear? Who then will foot the bill for our local, state and federal services? Oh wait i know we pay more taxes in a different bracket so instead of labeling it income tax we now pay double into social security... you cant be serious?

Originally Posted by Xanavi

Government will, if left to grow, take everything you have and then turn around and tell you what you can keep. Sounds a bit like slavery to me.

omg... we are slaves to the dollar sir plain and simple. We do not fall under a communist dictatorship nor have we ever. We are the most successful nation currently because we have a strong economy in which we can afford to pay more to support our government. And frankly I hate the fact that I am in a country so content with being content ( yes that was intentional ) that we do nothing.. no huge march, no protest, no revolution, nothing.. but anyways without 100% financial liberation of the ability to support you and the ones you love to the extent that you can buy them and yourself whatever you desire than you will always be a slave to the almighty dollar bill. However with socialization the cost is a little easier for everyone to bear for equal treatment. Personally I like the idea that if I come under some financial distress or in the even of divorce or bankruptcy that i can still have my health... or the ability to fix it..


how can you even begin to argue with that.