Consoles->PC->Consoles Again (front page post)

[TheShoe]

Originally Posted by Liam J.

I may just be a lonely computer geek, but one day I'll have millions of dollars. When this is the case, I will buy the rights to UO and re-develop it based on a 1999-era pre-cast PvP model.

and you will never satisfy anyone, and end up killing yourself over the frustration/ stress associated with running one of those servers. let alone the stress of the entire UO name sitting on you.

I'd still play though, without a complaint, heh.

[Genocide]

Originally Posted by TheShoe

and you will never satisfy anyone, and end up killing yourself over the frustration/ stress associated with running one of those servers. let alone the stress of the entire UO name sitting on you.

I'd still play though, without a complaint, heh.

LOL I'd be there too shoe. The sad thing is you would never get a large player base due to the graphics. I still try to bring friends to Divinity/Hybrid but they always call it a generic/crap game.

[sxfx]

Originally Posted by Genocide

LOL I'd be there too shoe. The sad thing is you would never get a large player base due to the graphics. I still try to bring friends to Divinity/Hybrid but they always call it a generic/crap game.

Gamers these days are like JEW's if it aint shiny it aint worth playing it.

[Cyle]

Nighthawk, I'm there man. I've been playing the hell out of Gears of War 2. My only PC experience is the occasional UO Divinity visit.

However, I just bought a new Razer Copperhead mouse, dunno why, but I hope I can use it soon on some PC games.

Like Darkfall, which just had another beta update.


Nighthawk, think it's about time to start organizing some WTFman.com Darkfall clan ideas, I would really like to play with WTFmen if they were to be in that game, along with the other posters here.

Originally Posted by Liam J.

I may just be a lonely computer geek, but one day I'll have millions of dollars. When this is the case, I will buy the rights to UO and re-develop it based on a 1999-era pre-cast PvP model.

Don't steal my idea. UO2 is in my brain right now. It just needs some developers and producers to make it happen.

[DrFDisK]

I have been resisting the console bubble since I bought my last "current" console when the N64 came out. Then came the PS2 and the huge boom that followed that put Sega out of the hardware market and about took Nintendo with it. Now that the console market is starting to mature and boom it might be the time to start resisting it. Its as if its turning to Apple vs MS vs Linux. You have the "X-brand exclusive" bull shit starting to run rampant. If you want to play game X you have to buy console X or your shit out of luck.

If you havent read, the console hardware is starting to take the first turn for something bad. The Wii speak, or whatever the thing is called, is going to have a voice activation feature that will only work once. If you decide to sell it or give it away you can forget about it. That's going to be just the start.

Have you ever walked into a Game Spot and seen the racks on racks of used games? Nintendo has said publicly they want to stop the resell of games and make the resell of them impossible. Wait and see if games go digital download only if the resell or rental of the game becomes impossible. And guess what? They wont have to give you a demo or your money back if its sucks. Keep in mind this is the same company that seemingly cant make enough consoles to sell every fucking Christmas! Or should I say wont make enough to falsely prolong demand so they are always sure that they will sell consoles. I'm sorry, it takes more than a magic stick and a processor from 1999 to make me go through all of that so I can play wii bowling...

If the console makers keep getting larger and PC gaming gets smaller, there wont be shit that can be done about any of this. Where else are you going to go to play the games that you love? Do you think they will give a shit as long as the money comes pouring in because you have no choice? Its a shame that Windows is the only real gaming platform for computers but it pales in comparison to what is happening in the console market. At least the indy devs can still code for the PC and not have to worry about the huge overhead it cost to develop for say a PS3. A PC game work on about any PC. You might be playing it in 640x480 but at least you can play it!

[SnallTrippin]

I have consoles for games that don't come to PC (Such as that new UFC in Feb.) and for racing games. Otherwise it's PC 4 Life.

[Lebowski]

Originally Posted by DrFDisK

I have been resisting the console bubble since I bought my last "current" console when the N64 came out. Then came the PS2 and the huge boom that followed that put Sega out of the hardware market and about took Nintendo with it. Now that the console market is starting to mature and boom it might be the time to start resisting it. Its as if its turning to Apple vs MS vs Linux. You have the "X-brand exclusive" bull shit starting to run rampant. If you want to play game X you have to buy console X or your shit out of luck.

If you havent read, the console hardware is starting to take the first turn for something bad. The Wii speak, or whatever the thing is called, is going to have a voice activation feature that will only work once. If you decide to sell it or give it away you can forget about it. That's going to be just the start.

Have you ever walked into a Game Spot and seen the racks on racks of used games? Nintendo has said publicly they want to stop the resell of games and make the resell of them impossible. Wait and see if games go digital download only if the resell or rental of the game becomes impossible. And guess what? They wont have to give you a demo or your money back if its sucks. Keep in mind this is the same company that seemingly cant make enough consoles to sell every fucking Christmas! Or should I say wont make enough to falsely prolong demand so they are always sure that they will sell consoles. I'm sorry, it takes more than a magic stick and a processor from 1999 to make me go through all of that so I can play wii bowling...

If the console makers keep getting larger and PC gaming gets smaller, there wont be shit that can be done about any of this. Where else are you going to go to play the games that you love? Do you think they will give a shit as long as the money comes pouring in because you have no choice? Its a shame that Windows is the only real gaming platform for computers but it pales in comparison to what is happening in the console market. At least the indy devs can still code for the PC and not have to worry about the huge overhead it cost to develop for say a PS3. A PC game work on about any PC. You might be playing it in 640x480 but at least you can play it!

This really means nothing to me. I haven't bought a used game for years. Several developers are already doing things like having keys that can only be used once that unlock special features/content to try to curb used game sales. I really don't care either way. Most places, like GameStop, sell used games for $5-10 less than a new one...so it's not that big of a deal.

And as far as developing on PC, I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. It's a lot more expensive to develop for the PS3 than say the Wii or 360, but a lot of companies don't make PC versions because there's so many different hardware configurations to develop and test for. Also, most PC gamers expect the option (with the correct hardware) to crank up the graphics and resolution much higher than consoles can. Not to mention the amount of piracy going on for the PC has to be many times greater than console modding.

[DrFDisK]

Anyone with a compiler and the know how can make games for a PC. Yes there are different hardware configs out there but its nothing that testing usually doesnt squash quickly if the games isnt rushed. Dont think for a minute that the testing teams on a console game arent every bit as large if not larger than that of the consoles. Tell me, is it more expensive to have a team of testers that are squashing bugs all day, or is it more expensive to have that same team plus about 2 more teams of coders porting your code to run on 2 more completely different hardware sets so you can release all three consoles at the same time? Not to mention testers for each console because they all will have different bugs as the hardware is completely different.

You look at the indie list of games for PC and compare that with the consoles. The proof is in the pudding. The scale of production and the teams that you have to have now for a console release are astronomical. Why do you think EA is so damned big? The more money you have, the more money you can spend, the more money you make. A team of 3-5 friends can make a decent game and have it published on PC. But you put their box next to an EA box with all of the marketing behind it and see with one gets its price slashed first.

And seriously... Do you really think all 15 million ppl playing WoW run it in 2048x1536 with full detail? Most of them probably dont know how to change their resolution. They slap a game in, run it with defaults and then pass out from sleep deprivation.

[TheShoe]

The Wii has almost sold more than the ps3 and xbox 360 combined. They aren't "holding back production", they just can't crank em out fast enough to keep the shelves stocked. Video games would never stop being rented, demos will never stop being available, that is just bad logic.

There is NO way the gaming community would let nintendo do any of that shit. EA tried that with spore, and the game tanked...

I didn't know wii speak was like that, that is pretty ridiculous.

I recently have become a hater of used game sales as well. I used to trade my games in frequently and buy used games, but I didn't realize that EB GAMES turned like a 500% profit on it, made me feel like i was being taken advantage of. Plus, my vast archive of video games has been significantly reduced due to trading in.

PS3 and 360 both have user generated content now. I dunno what it is on ps3 but the xbox live arcade has a large amount of independently developed games that are amazing. A lot of the major label games even have a user programed feature built into them. Like little big planet and guitar hero 3.

[DrFDisK]

Nintendo certainly has no problem making game disks to go in their consoles. You expect me to believe that a multi billion dollar company cant keep up with production when they have had two years to make them? I have never heard of a company that had a product that had that much demand that would do something to increase production. If you go in to Wal-Mart and see one Wii on the shelf you more likely to impulse buy it if you think you arent going to have another chance at it. They keep dangling the carrot and people have no problem being strung along as long as they can get away with it. That's like when gas was four dollars a gallon and all the gas companies had to say was "Sorry, we cant keep up with demand". Or my favorite, "There might be a hurricane this year so we are going to raise prices right now". Bull Shit.

All I can see are about 45 community games on Xbox Live unless I'm not looking in the right place. And dont forget XNA (which you have to pay for btw AND be a "Premium XNA member) is just another way for MS to try and gain the majority of the market share to try and lock you in to their console. Once or if they do, do you think it will be any different than having to buy a Pro version of their products just so you have the version of their OS that doesnt suck? This is MS you are defending dont forget. Why do you think MS bought Bungie? Hell the 40GB version of the PS3 is a perfect example of that. In order to be able to play PS1 and 2 games you cant buy the cheaper PS3. Why is that? Do PS2 game disks have something personal against 40GB HDDs or is Sony trying to take your money?

365 days of free games | GamesRadar

Here is the article that I got the Wii Speak thing from. I agree with you on the used games part as far as the retailers go. They take full advantage of kids that just bought a game a month ago for 60 bucks, try to trade it in for a new game and give them about 10 bucks for their old game. The kid walks out and they slap a 55 dollar price tag on it and put it back on the shelf. My grief is that they want to lock the disk to the original owner and make it impossible to rent games. Its about principles and last time I checked this was still a free country to do what you please with a license once you bought it short of anything illegal.

Nintendo Wipes Out Wii Speak Resale Value - Tom's Guide

And who needs demos when you can just pay game review site to over hype your game before it even comes out? Or give exclusive hands-on blah blah blah. I dont know if you noticed but demos have been getting fewer and fewer over the years. That's just more people you have to pay to release a demo when you can spend that on full page magazine spreads.