Magazine promotes sterlization of Young Women.

[Fused88]

Click here.

Those are some fucked up bitches.

[ImaBovine]

I would much rather some woman get sterilized rather than have some unwanted kid in the world choking up Children's Services or worse, be abused.

[Fused88]

Originally Posted by ImaBovine

I would much rather some woman get sterilized rather than have some unwanted kid in the world choking up Children's Services or worse, be abused.

Sure, if they have terrible genetic conditions then we can have tests to sort out the bad eggs that shouldn't. But a magazine glamorizing this is just retarded.

[ImaBovine]

Originally Posted by Fused88

Sure, if they have terrible genetic conditions then we can have tests to sort out the bad eggs that shouldn't. But a magazine glamorizing this is just retarded.

I am not aware of any kind of testing that will show if someone doesn't want kids or not ( oh wait, other than asking the question "Do you want kids?")...I am not sure where you are going with your statement.

Do you think it is wrong for a woman to chose whether or not she want's to have kids or not? Isn't this choice better than having an abortion or dumping the kid on some doorstep of an orphanage? There are plenty of people out there that realize they don't want to be parents. I sure as hell would rather have her make the decision BEFORE she actually has the baby.

Some of these procedures are reversibile if at some later date they decide they are ready to have kids. Even though birth control is not 100%effective, this kind of procedure is more effective, IMO, than the pill, condoms, etc.

I am curious as to what you mean about sorting out the bad eggs with genetic conditions has to do with this article. Please expand on your statement.

[masos1138]

Well, the article loses for mentioning Nazi in the title anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

[Fused88]

Originally Posted by ImaBovine

I am not aware of any kind of testing that will show if someone doesn't want kids or not ( oh wait, other than asking the question "Do you want kids?")...I am not sure where you are going with your statement.

Do you think it is wrong for a woman to chose whether or not she want's to have kids or not? Isn't this choice better than having an abortion or dumping the kid on some doorstep of an orphanage? There are plenty of people out there that realize they don't want to be parents. I sure as hell would rather have her make the decision BEFORE she actually has the baby.

Some of these procedures are reversibile if at some later date they decide they are ready to have kids. Even though birth control is not 100%effective, this kind of procedure is more effective, IMO, than the pill, condoms, etc.

I am curious as to what you mean about sorting out the bad eggs with genetic conditions has to do with this article. Please expand on your statement.

People that are like that, just have bad attitudes and views on life. They would rather get drunk and have sex with random strangers at bars instead of having children. Now you're saying that they're doing a good thing because instead of bringing more children into this world their just being idiots and having a high chance of spreading disease.

I only believe that abortion is acceptable in the case of life threatening conditions or rape. Otherwise tough shit, no one forced you to have sex.

Yes some are, but there are often complications just like with woman taking a birth control pill for decades then suddenly trying to have a baby.

Yes their are genetic blood tests which can determine how fertile you are and how healthy your children can be, they can also be tested against your husband/wife to see if you can have healthy children together. They have been doing it since before Hitler and his eugenics program.

I only brought that up since that is the only reason I can see for someone becoming sterile and not having children. If you don't want to have children just so you can keep drinking and having random sex, then I think you need to grow the fuck up.

[ImaBovine]

This has got to be the most fucked up view I have ever seen. So you would rather let a woman take the chance at getting pregnant and it possibly end up in abortion or an unwanted child? I don't think the reason for female sterilization is so women can get drunk and have random sex and they not have to worry about getting knocked up.

Tubal ligation is just another form of birth control. Do you feel the same way about birth control pills, condoms, depo-provera injection? Are these just a way for women to be able to "get drunk and have random sex with strangers"? At least with tubal ligation, there is much less of a risk of an unwanted child. I believe the stat is 3 in 1000 get pregnant within the first year after a tubal ligation where with other forms of birth cotrol the percentage is much greater.

Abortion would be more along the lines of your reasoning for the getting drunk and getting laid remark. Of course my views are different than yours on abortion as well since we don't need the government interferring with that, but that is a totally different topic than the one we are discussing now.

I am going to go out on a limb here and say that there is a religious reason you are so against birth control. I just can't think of any other reason you would be so against it.

Like I stated before, I would much rather the pregnancy be stopped before it happens than the possibility of there being an unwanted child or one that is going to take up State resources to be cared for.

There are plenty of reasons a woman would choose the tubal ligation option:

1. Woman decided she does not want any more/any children.

2. Partner decides they do not want any more/any children.

3. Medical reasons

4. Problems with other birth control methods.

Some types of birth control cause complications in certain women. I used to have a girlfriend that took the Depo shot. It fucked her system up royally. Her hormones were all out of whack (more than a normal woman's are :P ) My ex-wife got pregnant taking 2 birth control pills a day. Talk about epic failure of a birth control method there. Some forms of birth control do not work for everyone so there is always the option of tubal ligation.

So if you are going to make your stand on the platform of women only use this method of birth control is so they can get drunk and have sex with random people at bars, you have some serious fucking issues.

[Fused88]

I not against all reasons for using birth control, I'm just against dipshits that want to use it for only personal reasons and don't care about the negative effects. Because as you mentioned it doesn't always work right or it causes severe problems later on in life. Its called being responsible for your actions.

I'm agnostic so no it has nothing to do with religion. Nice try though.....

I don't care if you don't want children but if you read the article carefully you can see that they are glamorizing it as a way to unburden yourself and just do what the fuck you what and screw the consequences that is my problem with this magazine.

Now if a woman is taking birth control and still ends up getting pregnant, I say tough shit you took the risk and now its your responsibility. A smarter person just wouldn't have been fucking around. But whatever is obvious we disagree.

[ImaBovine]

I am still confused....What kind of negative effects are there if one chooses to not have children? You are right, women have personal reasons for not wanting children...Ummm, they just don't want any. Sounds like a good enough reason to me.

As far as the magazine glamorizing this procedure....Don't magazines basically glamoirze EVERYTHING they print? The purpose is to sell magazines.

I am really intrigued by your comment you are not against all reasons for birth control. Care to elaborate on that. And stay away from abortion since that is not a method of "birth control". I am just having a really hard time understanding why you would be against somone having the right to choose whether or not they conceive.

[Fused88]

Originally Posted by ImaBovine

I am still confused....What kind of negative effects are there if one chooses to not have children? You are right, women have personal reasons for not wanting children...Ummm, they just don't want any. Sounds like a good enough reason to me.

As far as the magazine glamorizing this procedure....Don't magazines basically glamoirze EVERYTHING they print? The purpose is to sell magazines.

I am really intrigued by your comment you are not against all reasons for birth control. Care to elaborate on that. And stay away from abortion since that is not a method of "birth control". I am just having a really hard time understanding why you would be against somone having the right to choose whether or not they conceive.

I'm sorry that your confused by my responses, I'll try to be more clear.


If someone chooses to not have children that is fine depending upon the reason why.

If its genetics? Okay...

If its you've had multiple children and both husband/wife agree to stop. Okay...

If its because you just don't want to have children for no other reason then just because. Then I say grow the fuck up and deal with it.

If you don't want to have children yet because you want to keep partying and have sex. Then I say grow the fuck up once again.

The list goes on and on.



Now, Just because most magazines create articles with that intent doesn't mean I agree with them or support what their doing. Case in point I made this thread about it.

I'm not against someone making a choice, I just don't agree with all the reasons why someone may do it. I think most make stupid decisions regarding this, and that's one reason we have so many problems in this section of Human development.

Edit: And regarding negative consequences, that depends on the person since some of those woman down the road will change their mind and realize that for some of them it will be impossible to have children now. Therefore it's not really a decision a young person should make on a whim especially if their main reason for it is just because they don't want to have children yet. What they should do is just not have sex yet.